Posts by The Marvster

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Inside Scientology and Escaping the Witnesses Channel 5 Todays Show on YOUTUBE

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-da6b0m1y5s.

The Marvster

Just finished watching this on Channel 5 'on demand', it was VERY painful to watch and I shed tears a few times... even the Scientology stuff was just too close to home... I can remember being amongst JW's and laughing about Scientology and saying how crazy and fucked up it was, but after watching this, it appears that on comparison there are a lot of similarities between these two organisations. rank and file being 'unworthy', and having to 'work' to build up worthiness, or when asking questions only getting the 'cult's' answers to those questions so that your perception becomes shaped by the indoctrination, being discouraged from forming relationships outside of the organisation, not being allowed to look at the Internet to investigate the religion, being shunned and losing all contact with anyone still inside the organisation etc. I also found it interesting that Scientology referred to the person abandoning the religion or being kicked out as a 'non person' (I gasped when I heard that), it's like they are no more human, or dead, and in JW you get treated like you are dead... there are just so many similarities... I felt that the main difference was that Scientology is more 'physically' forceful and hands on with getting you to do stuff or depriving you of things, but the Governing Body seek to totally brainwash you so totally that it ends up being YOU that do the damage through brainwashing, fear, and guilt.

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They know something’s up.

by John Aquila in

we have the convention this weekend and many jw families are arriving.

one family that ive known for many years from new mexico stopped by to visit my mom.

hes been an elder since the 80s.

The Marvster

Beautiful Beautiful Beautiful....

Your evidence was so utterly damning that there could not possibly have been any response.... There's know way of knowing what that brother will do, but, it's hard to believe he will actually go do the research.

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Today's WT glancing at the opposite sex is flirting and therefore immortality

by purrpurr in

in today's wt study it makes the point that just glancing at the opposite sex is flirting and can lead to sex!.

so are jw's now to wear blinkers?.

also jw's are told to go and confess to the elders if they have any immoral thoughts?!!.

The Marvster

I'm sorry but to me this is one of the reasons sisters and brothers end up going 'awol', nuts, freak out, whatever and end up acting out with more venom that a person not in the org and therefore not subject to such repressive, overbearing behaviour control methods.... I mean, how the hell will they be able to function when getting into a sexual relationship? Will they even know how to look at their spouse without feeling guilty? or will they stare 24 hours a day to make up for lost time?

Also what about guilt? aren't jw's already subjected to enough guilt feelings? and now you look at the opposite sex and you are guilty and must confess?

Imagine how much confessing those hot blooded youngsters will have to do after a district convention with all those 'fine' looking single members of the opposite sex walking around at lunch time....

This sort of thing can only lead to one becoming utterly socially inept, especially if one then leaves the Org...

next they'll be asking congregation members to 'walk on water'

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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

by John Aquila in

so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

The Marvster

secretslaveclass; Exactly...

also brilliant analogy re: Cypher from 'The Matrix',

'plug me back into the illusion, I know it's all fake, but I can't live this reality, i wanna forget EVERYTHING'...

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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

by John Aquila in

so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

The Marvster

And to add, he has the audacity to tell you not to disrupt his life, when JW's every bloody day of the year, yeah including Christmas Day and New Yea'rs Day (supposedly spending billions of hours in field service), knock on people's door to 'disrupt their peace', in trying to get 'them' to walk out of their religion.. .and also trying to get ex brothers to 'come back' to the the org, by showing what they feel are 'facts' to try to convince people to change their minds and become JW's or for ex brothers to 'see the light' and return to a life those ex brothers usually don't really want to return to..... what F***ing hypocrisy...

one rule for JW's and another rule for the rest of the world.... they cannot take their own medicine can they?,,,, plain and simple....

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I believe that the greater percentage of JWs-You Will Not Be Able to Help, no Matter What Facts You Show Them.

by John Aquila in

so i ran into this brother whom ive known for a while and the conversation led into me being invited to come back to the kingdom hall.

we talked for about an hour during which time i explained to him 607 being the wrong date and a lot of other stuff including the child abuse cases in australia.

but what i wanted to relate was the last few minutes of our conversation.

The Marvster

I only got half way through the brother's response and to me, it is basically an indictment on the JW belief system and doctrine...

What if all he said was correct?, then that would mean that all the time we all spent in the 'TRUTH' was a lie, there is no truth, there is only speculation, yet JW's will continue to go door to door and tell people they have the TRUTH and know what is going to happen.... isn't this just desperately holding onto 'anything', just to believe? what if there were no end to sickness? what if there were no end to death? what if one day humanity will be extinguished like a candle? it seems that JW's would rather believe ANYTHING, than consider that possibility. So they are prepared to 'give up their lives in the present' for a future they have no way of knowing will happen, and rather than being honest and saying 'we don't really know', they instead call it 'truth'.... and even though this brother 'might' be willing to admit that the GB have got it wrong several times, him and the group is with will STILL BELIEVE...

in recent weeks I've been posting responses on youtube after watching many ex JW videos, and reading JW defenses, and especially after watching segments of the Australia RC, I came to the conclusion that JW's aren't interested in TRUTH.... they are interested in something else, maybe 'hope', or something else that might insulate them from the 'unthinkable', that this might be it, or that they could be wrong, or that all the other religions have are no less right or wrong than they are...

they don't care for truth all they care about is protecting the belief system, if they really cared for truth then wouldn't they be asking lots of questions when the previous 'truths' got changed by the 'Guardians of Doctrine' several times? yet most just keep quiet and accept the new truth and ignore the fact that what came before was not truth at all. The only important thing is to maintain the belief structure. Man, I was so wrong, when i was among them I felt that I had too many doubts and 'the majority' really believed in truth.... it's saddening...

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Women are Women and Men are men in the Real World , apparently not in J.W.`s world.

by smiddy in

according to j.w.`s the 144000 are a literal number of people , both men and women taken from the earth to rule with christ jesus in the heavens .this would also include judging in this role.

(see another thread about women as judges).

women in the religion of j.w.`s have no place in leadership roles ,cannot be elders , ministerial servants , or serve in any position of authority , and have no teaching voice in any congregation .. yet faithful anointed women can , upon their death rule with christ jesus in heaven for 1000 years according to j.w.

The Marvster

Is their a major inconsistency here ?

OMG, there absolutely IS. thanks smiddy. That one went way over my head and was never thought about while I was in the 'truth'....

so much of this stuff previously accepted, when now questioned or revealed under a different light IS TOTALLY NONSENSICAL....

wow!

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Dreaming

by Sabin in

friends i have question to ask.

i suffered with horrific nightmares for along time.

i`m talking years.

The Marvster

Hey rebel8, this makes so much sense to me now, when it first happened i thought i was imagining the reasons for the nightmares going away, but now I figure it can be the only reason. Sounds to me like your dreams were 'very direct' in pointing out what the problem was, it's almost as though the answers are within us and we just have to see them. Adjusted Knowledge it really is amazing what the brain does; it's wonderful how the dreams start to adjust when your life situations change. Personally for me, the dreams were confirmation that I had done the right thing in walking away from that life...

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Dreaming

by Sabin in

friends i have question to ask.

i suffered with horrific nightmares for along time.

i`m talking years.

The Marvster

Hi Sabin, thanks for the response, and the welcome... Glad I had this conversation about dreams. I have resisted dream dictionaries for the moment, though I have borrowed a few 'dream' books from the library, ones that contain short lists of suggested interpretations and ideas about dreams... One more thing I can say is that, since leaving the org i have become a much more honest person (go figure), and this also comes out in my dreams too.... and it's such a pleasure waking up after a dream realising that in the dream state i was 'true to myself, and honored my emotions' especially when I have what I call 'Jehovah Witness' dreams.... it's really refreshing to awaken and realise that I was totally honest with myself in the dream state...

thanks for all your info, it will be very useful to me and I was glad to be able to get this off my chest thanks to your interesting post, after holding it in for over 2 years

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"And what happened next was simply unbelievable!"

by Terry in

jw
friends

i always sit in the same spot, just outside starbucks in a vestibule area with a table in the air-conditioned space.

i say "always," but not today.. somebody with two laptops and a table filled with business ledgers was in "my" favorite spot!.

so, i took a tiny wooden table inside the coffee shop on a long padded bench next to 3 other identical tables.. as the clickbait banner ads like to say: "and what happened next was simply unbelievable!".

The Marvster

Terry: It seems like you are from a previous generation to mine and were really honed in regurgitating the watchtower doctrine and method as a Pioneer. I didn't get to those levels (see? I still call them 'levels', gosh I still believe in the hierarchy) but constantly wished I could so that I could skillfully tackle anybody, or get loads of studies by the use of my persuasion, I just was never able to reach for that somehow, though I managed to auxilary pio quite a bit, Just didn't think i had the brass balls to pioneer.

Re: I began looking at how I was thinking. I quickly realized I was NOT really thinking..

So true; My take on the whole thinking thing is that once I really started thinking about all I learned in the org, I realised how much of a fool I was for assuming I 'had the truth'... I handn't thought anything through and even if apparent contradictions or counter arguments came along, I was unwilling to investigate them for fear of the walls coming down so of course I would be unprepared for a 'real thinker'...

Re: That Mormon Elder Cleaned my Clock...

Wow, I love it, I had that done to me by a non-Christian guy on the door who 'schooled' me in bible knowledge telling me, among other numerous facts unknown to me, that there were 4 Jesus' in the bible, I was flabbergasted, and speechless, and with a disgusted look he just quietly and slowly shut his door in my face while I stood there like a deer in headlights not knowing how to respond. When I got home I checked his accuracy.... my first thought? 'shame on you Marv'... lol.. but, still, I wasn't persuaded to actually start thinking, that took a long time to happen.